. >> -- is alan krueger, adviser to president obama. if you want to debate that, just go to other countries like ours that have a higher minimum wage, somehow they have -- david: ralph, i don't want to get into weeds. >> wait, wait. australia is double. minimum wage has a lower unemployment. david: hold on, hold on. you're mixing -- australia has a very low unemployment rate because their commodities industry has been feeding china for the past ten years. that's why they have -- it's not because of high minimum wage. >> try canada, try france, try germany, try denmark. any country in the western world has a higher real minimum wage. david: at the risk of totally -- >> no. david: -- making this into an academic discussion, david newmark looked at more than a hundred academic studies, and 85% of those studies find a negative employment effect on low skilled workers. so you're wrong! >> why don't you reduce the minimum wage, david, you'll increase jobs. do you want to do that? this is a moral issue, and the moral issue is reflected by comp